ambassador, there were some nelson mandelan and president george w. bush at the time. i know they joined forces in fighting aids, but he was vehemently opposed against the war in iraq. >> that was true, but the issue was to move the country forward, addressing hiv and aids, and that was the president's signature health program for south africa and for the continent. things we could agree on to serve the needs of a significant number of people, not only in south africa, but around the world. >> what you think we can take as lessons? >> there are a couple. first, it is amazing, the power of an individual that can change the nature of entire country. he demonstrated one person can really make a change in a country. two, the majority of his account judgments happened after he was 72 years old when he got out of prison. or 55y say when i am 65 and retired, i am done, but it is a lesson that the best part of our years are to come. >> good for us, or good for me. >> and, again, the power of humility. certainly, his legacy is enormous in what he did to fight apartheid in south